That something is GAFF — a debut collaboration between the two, released this year and already the kind of record that feels like it was made by people who genuinely like each other. Which, it turns out, is exactly how it was made.

I’ve often heard online music communities — YouTube Channels, Discord servers, TikTok accounts, Facebook groups, Reddit communities — described as “cesspools of mediocrity” or something similarly dismissive. And I understand the impulse.

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"I really just want to foster this idea that you don’t actually have to do it all." It’s actually really cool if you spent your whole life perfecting your craft on this instrument and then you can let other people who spent their whole life perfecting their craft do the other part. You don’t have to do everything.”